What if Homelander turned out to be a good guy instead of an evil milk drinking manchild? Nobody seems to touch on this much.
07.06.2025 20:46
It's kinda true he's below Homelander but that's in craving fame and attention which is pretty much, both their big insecurity. I really wanna see where they go in s4 once he overcomes his sycophant persona. I don't think he even knows the template he has carved out for himself rn. Male privilege ahole who’s kind of a baby. He's still finding himself tbh.
This is a reflection of how most of us get fed false tales to believe in irl - as a child, which some don't even outgrow entirely to become and embrace the concept - Ignorance is Bliss. Starlight thankfully, she got hardened by it to go even further in her mission to change the world despite seeming like she's become the most Voughtiest Vought. A mask she adorned for skating through life without compromising her true secret double agent vanguard identity for the Boys to take down Homelander. She consciously adapts herself to become more attuned to the dark reality of the world where corruption is key to break the old stereotype (of how everyone sees’s you as) for getting what you want ! ! ! !
Season 3 might not seem that great but it is. Side characters become much more/sufficiently fleshed out and basically, it's where Soldierboy threatens Homelander’s existence by existing, on being the bigger ICON. Homelander gets introduced to something called fear... Fear of being exterminated like the bug he is. Soldier boy gives us a sense of the kinda extermination he does on supes, several times with the radioactive he pumps out as a chest beam, vapourising supes for good. He fries the Compound V from their blood as said verbatim and Jensen Ackles, gotta love his portrayal in making the first American Hero turn out to be such an Ahole in reality (as it's usually the case with idols) and up close.
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The Deep is a piece of sh*t who is only a piece of sh#t to people against whom he has the advantage over. He is the lackey of the mean girl for a stereotypical role. Vicious when next to the mean girl but if the clique is out, he will be powerless and fawn all over you so you don't go hard on him. Then, the Mean Girl comes back and he is back to being a piece of sh*t.
In a realistic scenario they would occupy the highest offices of government.
I still have qualms in that logic, but not the topic...
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Homelander dives into the actual life of super heroes in modern world with ideals and emotions that any human would have if they were granted super abilities which is his origin btw. And how superheroes are being still treated for collateral damage and incurring the expenses like any human would. Not allowing them special privileges. It's been such a contention in the old superhero movies and comics like who tf pays for all that? And ytf should we have to pay for what he did, damaging our valuables? For the case of Homelander, they actually are managed and puppeted by the org Vought eating profits while marketing superheroes and covering all the legal expenses etc etc, helping the super heroes make a living without needing to brand a secret identity(-which quite frankly has become boring for any long termer). Below are just some points explaining the reality of the supes narrative.
This scene is soo good. It's basically our TV show Homelander talking to comic book Homelander. A narci₹sistic, disturbed, psy₹hotic, ruthless monster. It's sad because Homelander deep down wants to be loved by everyone but ultimately, he can't overcome the monster that is inside of him. Which he has broken into tears on having become. That helpless acceptance. & Yup it's coming again in s4 as I can make out.
It's the whole masses mindset once again. It's always the villains trying to change the accepted civilian way of living under the corrupt goverment. But the price for changing it is so huge in terms of sacrifice hence every supes chooses to live and let live. It's ofc dictated by their respective organisation SHIELD, ARGUS or VOUGHT.
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Homelander turning out to be a good guy is really hard to picture. He could have turned out all-right. If you watch carefully, they had a very bluntforce attempt at socialization, merely telling him how to be, instead of actually experiencing anything. For reasons though. Still…explains him only being an act & not actually charming, nice, eloquent.
Starlight aka Emma Moriarty still continues her fight against Homelander and has her moments telling how she doesn't need to be protected by Hughie aka Jack Quaid and how much that's an old stinkin stereotype to have nowadays. It's reflected with hughie having his own need to stop getting shown up by such a strong gf. They complete themselves, pretty much with their relationship. You normally have this timid herd lass perception of starlight but she breaks the template in a pretty nice way. I'll prolly bring that up later below.
It's really unnerving to think that the only thing keeping Homelander from destroying the entire world is his insecurity.
How can I be okay with being ugly? What is the bright side?
The guys running Argus and shield actually hold a respectable position within the govt but it's not the supes themselves. Supes by themselves won't occupy it themselves unless they qualified (this is being explored pretty good in The Boys s3) but normally they don't. It's the third party guys who occupy those offices not the supes. Think about it, even for the case with DC/Marvel. Do you see ultraman, Ironman, Hulk or Superman occupying the political space and taking care of taxes and bureaucracy? Signing those forms?
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If between 2% and 0.0001% of the population got superpowers you would see the emergance of aristocracy, why would those with inherent real power obey those who dont any they wouldnt.
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The Deep is so pathetic and useless that hating him is like playing a video game on easy mode. It’s just so easy to do that you lose interest in favor of more interesting things.
Homelander was not made for being a good guy or show the good side of heroes for all their decade old cheese coated *** cliches prevalent in Superman, Batman, Thor or hulk who all have their ideals embedded in their humanity, to be on the good side always Kal el, Bruce Banner (keeping control always from going beserk as the hulk ”ooh you don't know, have no idea of the struggle” bla bla 😢🥱), Bruce Wayne, Dr Donald Blake etc. I mean sure, they all have “character growth” (or to put it better- expected character growth) in a very repeated same old generic pattern despite your case (see, I'm not blaming the characters just their lazy, shallow writing that gets blown up solely due to popularity bias). But it's not interesting enough unless penned by some of the greats. Most times not even then. I'm just saying cuz ik the arguments for and against very well.
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With all this going on, it's hard to keep blaming homelander for being this milk drinking man child. I don't think he had any other, relished comfort in his life. I mean just think about it, being continually lab ratted and test tubed from birth, experimented throughout puberty without an ounce of privacy to himself. It is thus not a surprise that after growing up, he would continue to seek the parental love, familial/human relations he never got. He was always in the spotlight on becoming the “next Soldierboy” especially after they harvested his seed sauce to get Homelander. Always being in the spotlight can take its toll on you which is the reason for his manic speeches of thinking everything revolves around him and him only. It's not about just craving mommy's milk. It's about getting high on himself, on his own appreciation, praises. That's what he was hookd on mainly in season 3.
Recently(or say quite a while back) Superman's identity was compromised by Bendis for this reason, altho he still has two in certain runs regardless. But moving on, it's the same thing with over 90% superheroes in every genre that would make them “superheroes”. Homelander aka Anthony Starr don't have any secret identity making it all about himself, only himself that has the gravitase since he's not like any another textbook superhero. He's an institution, at least that's what he made himself out to be once he punked his Vought bosses, two times (head and CEO) foresaking their illusion of control over the supes, as he always thought it to be. A mere illusion.
She's just got this perception embedded in her for good after realising that most of the supes are just ***s in reality and their talks of doing good in the name of liberty, peace and justice are just marketing stunts for Vought stocks. That's why her flick with the Deep is so defining of everything that made her into being soo good. She's moved on from getting her world view shattered while still going on to bring about rightful change but what she's not accounted for are the string of perception shatters she suffers >from her mom having fed her lies(younger years) of being chosen by God to be just another compound V(CV) product. By Hughie who wanted her to use her starlight identity to get tickets bla bla. By everyone who she looked upto in the Seven. She had her heart broken, mind broken, shattered several times. It is what makes her real enough to be appreciated.
Which is better, a naked picture of some one you know or porn videos?
Most of the mainstream superhero storytelling is shifting to push out some or the other agenda instead of being about the character itself. Mainstream is just not worth much anymore.
It's completely about adopting a secret identity for all their cases (cept like Aquaman types) that enables them to have a somewhat normal life, and have a crusader life when required. It was interesting back in the 90s but not so much anymore. I mean Invincible is still pushing that out but there they at least have their home place intact tho story is mostly about super powered alien politics than anything Z z z z z…and ofc molding Invincible to being the most shining hero or the most demented villain to be Z z z z z unlike Homelander, The Boys where it's far more bound to reality.
Soldierboy’s just this guy out for a cause, mission and that is to get back at his old team, the ones who proclaimed his death and didn't honour him for the gift that he was to humanity. He really had no flips to give about anything else but that!! & ofc those who got in way of his Vengeance. He's kinda like Homelander’s/every supes Kryptonite and the deal he makes with Butcher, Hughie to help kill Homelander once they help him first to locate his old team is so calculated and hilarious (Soldierboy being unable to do it himself in the modern world cuz technology). It also shows a layer of soldier boy as not being one for unnecessary bloodshed!!
Finally the battle finale between Soldier boy and Homelander at Vought towers. It's such a cluster biff of whodunnits and areyoufr’s. What I mean is, >Soldier Boys last payback member was Black Noir (who I'm glad diverged from the comics continuity) who was also incidentally Homelanders closest “friend”.
She's also a victim of this brutal troll narrative (on twitter) aka as Erin after the Boys portrayal. Eventhough it's the exact thing the show sought to stand against. Moving on, gotta now bring up their pursuit for recognition and Homelander's pupetteer much above Madelyne Stillwell. That is, the CEO of Vought International > Stan Edgar.
The reality is that he is a piece of sh*t, but he goes through things and looks like he might have a change of heart, then doesn’t. That’s the biggest anti-trope in this show and the only characters that break it regularly are MM, Hughie, Starlight and Frenchie. Everybody else proves themselves devoid of morality majority of the time. That’s the show, it makes them looks like gods on the outside, then takes you inside where they’re more relatable. But they’re still more evil than anybody you or I would probably ever know.
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Regardless of what Noir ultimately deserved after all of the horrible things he's done, it is still tragic. He knows right from wrong but still does basically whatever Homelander or Vought tells him to do blindly cuz of the SB trauma.
This masses narrative is what's going to be controlled as a caged beast in Season 4. It's gonna be **** nuts. My god, that moment at the end of s3 where Homelander kills a civilian just to get celebrated for who he is…the moment where he realises that he can JUST BE HIMSELF, instead of crafting a fake persona. It's sooo jaw breaking.
You're underestimating the media’s ability to spin a false narrative on the supes just to make them a headline and be an ironic villain. Aristocracy will not be self sustaining for the supes to keep being supes. Hence the third party -SHIELD or VOUGHT. For DC's case, it's ARGUS.
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Season 1 ended with him finding out he had a son with Butcher's wife.
Homelander was the current generation icon of Vought like Soldier boy was of the earlier generation.
>Homelander kills Noir for keeping the secret of Soldierboy being his father, confronts Soldierboy and Butcher with the truth of Soldierboy having a real family (Homelanders DNA son Ryan) just to get shot down by Soldierboy for the miserable DNA embarassment Homelander turned out to be. Ryan beams him and gets beat up.
What Homelander couldn't handle was being puppeted by others and having others “stifling his good naturedness” as it happened with Madelyne aka Elizabeth Shue who turns every encounter into a debated justification of Homelander’s actions to the media. It's so kitsch but there's also the history that explains a bit about his craving for being a milk drinking manchild. It certainly sets a pedestal for kitsch (something destroying art) or honestly in this day and age, I don't even wanna label it. Homelander wasn't like any other hero who was test-tubed with Compound V and then released to their families to have this nurturing envt growing up. He was always in a lab/lab ratted due to the scientists trying to weaponise him through any means necessary for the Vought Conglomerate.
Season 3 ends with Ryan taking Homelander’s side cuz he's now convinced human life is meaningless and they can kill whoever they want without consequences.
Every kid can have a tantrum, though we do not know how many of those would have happened in a proper, not isolated environment. When he hugs one of his caretakers/substitute-moms, he kills her without realising it and that it was even wrong in the first place. He hugs her too tight and accidentally kills her. When his observers behind the glass window barge into the room, HL curls up in the corner of the empty white room, covering himself with his blankey out of fear. It's a sad scene that really sums up HL's sad and inhumane child hood.
Just fried out the eyes of Madelyne to glowing, smouldering embers into her skull. Homelander isn't just plain evil like Stormfront (The N*zi Liberation leader) was, he was so much more than that. A guy who's on the verge of a psychotic break due to his dark past. A guy who wants recognition and will stop at nothing to get what he wants. That s2 finale really put meaning into how much he wanted to make Madelyne suffer for the lies. He can control the intensity of his heatvisions & he wanted her to feel each moment till the end, making sure she felt every seconds ounce worth of pain. The moment when Madelyne admitted being scared of him, she lost his respect and became just another puny human and disposable. Butcher being too shocked to see his only ace(M) being turned around so spectacularly was just too much 🤣. He was so traumatised, he didn't even flinch when he saw those lasers going into her head. Also Homelander didn't just kill him there, which is what I'm talking about - he's not really “evil”. Manic yes Evil nope.
Omg this is so true 500%
Black Noir and A train just further this. Noir is a mute who's so traumatised by Soldierboy (his old TL) that he's given up on having a voice of his own and just went along with THE AUTHORITY orders. In Diabolical, he's shown to be pretty heartless in the carnages he brings about cold bloodedly so it's hard to see him being sort of a redeemable character as how he will seem in The Boys with the cartoon imagination icons he conjures up to basically keep him company while he trudges along the footpaths of his abhorant, abusive past. He went through traumatic events as he developed powers, was swept up by an evil exploitative corp, was horribly abused by his old Team leader, suffered serious brain damage trying to stop him. He sees Homelander as this protective umbrella that truly appreciates and cares for him/what he does. But to Homelander >> he was just another guy who betrayed him in the end and as poetic justice, he was killed by Homelander.
Starlight finally found herself at the crux of it all having all her allies in the 7 going down > leading to her quitting and joining the boys to finally pursue a better path... Even if Butcher is someone she doesn't agree with entirely. Her finding her real identity as Annie and throwing away the starlight garb was the true defining moment of how she don't need a facade to fight Homelander anymore. She can do it as herself.
Homelander still keeps getting these harsh jolts at the reality of the horrid truth he keeps trying to acknowledge but just falls short due to his own delusions and shortcomings.
Starlight ofc exposed it all to the media (and since “girl victims” have too much a voice now even irl, deep’s image destruction was pretty ez and quick #due to media). The Deep got booted out (sabbatical cover up) by the new girl, which is humiliating enough but what he's more put off by are his own gills on his torso allowing him to breath and live. He's extremely self conscious about them and that's the root of his self destructive tendencies, self loathing etc etc. He desperately wanted his place back in the Seven as he had no place anywhere else, which was the horrifying truth he realised at the end of s1, also with Vought having no intention to let him back cuz low stocks.
The Deep still carries his name epicly on being THE INAPPROPRIATE ONE, right from season 1 brokering an oralS deal from Starlight cuz she's new >He forms a relation with an octopus mollusk from s2 and it gets extreme in s3 - and the word is Threesome although it's the girl who gets ckholded. It's so out of place but GAWD, it really speaks volumes for the #₹₹ that's advertised irl especially with them pronouns as well. I fell out of my bed when they brought it up in the end. He's the most iredeemable hero out there and sucks up to Homelander so much for getting the “image", attention he seeked so hard from him. Hoping that Homelander treats him as worth it. But nope, that don't happen much.
The only reality around us, is of our attention being a product that's molded and warped by companies (paying tribute to the ruling party) with their false advertising. The false stories you need to dig past for uncovering something resembling the truth. And a plain quick judgement just feeds into your shallow mindset towards what others see you as, identify you as - unless you luck out to redeem yourself successfully along the way. But even then, you loose a bit of yourself in the process 🎭.
She's really good in keeping her goals hidden but I think she is actually truthful about her stated goals of making America a better place to live in; she would be a "greater good" character, willing to murder even innocents to get the power necessary in order to achieve that. You basically have the virus belief scene in Gen V showing that too. She's pretty much another glorious reason to watch s4. She's got so much going on and plays for all sides that it's become so dam painstakingly mind vortexxing to figure her true end goal and her motivations for it. It's really so chequered and glorious. She could be the Kingslayer as sort of a Revengenace to her father.
I'll answer the 2nd part first. Why, would be cuz supes need people's acceptance first to keep being a superhero otherwise they would be labelled just another miscreant causing chaos (more harm than good) despite the intentions being good. So for them to remain supes, it would be dependant wholly on the masses mindset which is controlled by the media.
Starlight (Annie) knows this very well, which is why she always takes this position of always assessing where she's at, whichever position to take a rightful stand for imparting the most change or for bigger impact. This brings us to the leadership component which is filled by both Butcher and Homelander to bring about this arbitrary kinda leadership - their own way - to each their own....Starlight’s actively always trying to assess and choose the right guy to back cuz that leader will have a trickle down effect. Her role is on showing us why an Arbitrary Leadership is not just unproductive but HARMFUL as well.
It’s not a surface-level superhero show, it’s a subversive satire and that’s why it’s brilliant.
I feel as if I really need to make a section for the Deep aka Chace Crawford. Deep’s basically a rapist, c*_nt, opportunist, self absorbed bla bla and so much more. But man, his journey was truly spectacular!!! Having got ostracized by The Seven, Vought and the Public for his selfish, fishcentric powers, inflated mindset such that he threatened Starlight to reject her hero induction (had she not complied to oralS) while cascading himself to be 2nd in command under Homelander, as Lord Of The Seven Seas despite being unimportant for the most part.
The good guy who deserves that nice glass of milk
>Meanwhile Hughie and Starlight are trying to beat down Soldierboy to stop him from PTSD nuking another building full of innocent people and also against Butcher’s agenda.
Above is her blackmailing gecko - her childhood friend to go steal CV from his benefactor, Vought.
Homelander's the only guy who looks intimidating and scared sh*tless at the same time
But even with that in mind, it's interesting to note that he's got sort of PTSD from being locked up for so long and tortured by the Russians. You can notice it clearly when he let's out his radioactive rays. He fries everyone in the vicinity despite all that talk of wanting to kill only x and y. We ofc jump to the conclusion that it's involuntary and likely a case of PTSD. It's so hard to imagine he's a good guy but he's still just an ace to be used against Homelander, the one who's actually the worst of them all.
Homelander had multiple reasons for being this personal with starlight. One, it's cuz he suspected her of being that mole, that double agent. Two, it's because she's the reason for the seven breaking up from within. Three, she stole the spotlight away from him, on being the centre of attention and the Favourite. Best part of her choosing to go far down the corrupted path is when Butcher gives her a nod of approval which instantly jerks Annie (Starlight) back to reality. Right reality #her’s before she lost herself. Just seeing that shock on her face on realising she's not different from Butcher, having become that one thing she's abhored is so hilariously refreshing 🤣😭. Butcher and Annie are really epic 👌😭😭🤣.
He's that kind of guy who, as soon as you think will have some standards, he then immediately follows up with something truly vile-r.
You can have some level of empathy and pity for him because in fact the world doesn’t need him at all and this cuts him where it hurts most. Homelander is a great character because he’s an evil monster but he’s not really the villain of the show, he’s a victim of the cruel system he lives in just as the people he harms are. But the show does a good job of not using that to excuse his actions or do any artificial “ooo look how complicated this character is” gimmicks. I can see his humanity and his pain but still be disgusted by him despite it.
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>Maeve makes it all about herself to get some truths out of Homelander “nothing else matters but my truth”. She got eye gouged and put down but had it in her to just save everyone from Soldierboy’s nuking. Maeve had that moment in finally thinking about others and not just about her image as it always used to be about earlier. It's certainly a glow up tbh. That's pretty much what's good about the show, the characters are never exaggeratingly good or bad but rather somewhere in the middle, each with their own kind of hypocr*sy.
their duty to overthrow the corrupt government.
Season 4 expectations are really not just sky high. They are SPACE high!!!
Problem being, he never learned that he could do wrong. Then again..burden a 7, 8, or 10 year old with the guilt of accidentally killing someone? So. There is some reason to think he cannot control his power or feelings quite right. Sure, not as a baby and he just never learnt it later cuz, no parents. It's also really really interesting to note that boylander in the last link lets out a sick smile after he killed the tutor and the doctor also says the killing wasn't accidental. It was just driven by something else compared to his previous “hug kills”. Which I think was the relish in having that “control”.
The Deep keeps on finding himself in one sh*t hole after another while A-Train is usually always being a selfish a$sh#le 99% of his scene. Deep is played for laughs to the point where his constant patheticness takes on near endearing qualities and pity from the audience. He strives to be better in his own sh&tty forest gumpy ways and has a beating heart (and c*#k) for all fish kind. Whereas A-train has shown no redeeming qualities, been a cold and arrogant a*#hole, murderer and the worst kind of corporate sellout.
He had no mother's love/affection nor knew or had the basic abc of human relations, which is why he's always this twisted extreme of Superman that everyone see’s him as. That's why Madelyne gave him that affection he sought for (his Oedipus complex would've been quite obv to her) instead of just material compensation/ rewards or medals with her Pseudosexual Madonna Act. But that's all it was, an act -dime in a dozen all totalling into the harsh grim reality of it all being just a facade and not real. That one thing which was snowballing all around Homelander, everything he knew about things “being turned into” a lie. And he finally looses it in an epic fashion.
She is publicly Anti Supe and Anti vought but is a Supe herself with her father being ex Vought CEO. Her goal is to infiltrate the government. To do so, she can't be too pro-supe, and as is shown by Hughie, she takes down low level "evil" supes, to look like she's doing something, but doesn't go after any high levelers. She learned first hand what real power is. As Edgar says "real power is bending the world to your will", so the important thing isn't the head popping ability, it's the ability to make world altering decisions, and being the vice president means she will be president, as her blood bending ability allows her to simply stop the heart of the president and become the most powerful person in the world.
It's a rep of how far she's prepared to go and how much she needs to sacrifice herself for the greater good. This greys down her character incredibly from how she used to be earlier. It’s got to the extent she reveals on having PTSD cuz of Homelander keeping a strict eye on her where one wrong word could be the end of her during his surprise and intense confrontations. Living with a loaded LASER CANNON to her face at all times.
Now the scene is gory and pg but why I'm talking so much about this is due to it (eye-frying) being from Alan Moore’s (🐐) first superhero work which is in a 1982 British Magazine called the “Warrior”. A twisted supe like Homelander does it to his secretary just to show another supe that he doesn't care about anything, that he's beyond human. It certainly bodes well for the fact on why his works were/are always considered too far ahead of it's time. Even now, it's still so hard to be grasped for the majority -the masses.
Season 4…is looking like scorched 🌍
The Boys is a show like many and full of pg sh*t but it's not written lazily and what it lacks for in candy coating, it makes up for in presentation which is what it's all about. 17/10 for how it's put together. Homelander’s first confrontation with Soldierboy is another one to speak for. You can see Homelander just thinking Butcher and Hughie were still just humans, following all the threats he gave in s1&2. He even tried eye beaming Butcher to see, to realise he's a supe now as well (temp compound V), same with Hughie who just shows up Outta the blue with his teleport ability and just gangs up on homelander who's the literal embodiment of being taken aback, overwhelmed at all the backward sh*t/new revelations that's keeping happening out of the blue, that he just called it quits and blitzed tf out..literally.
Same for comics as well
The function of Vought etc is solely to celebrate these guys for doing good despite it having a toll on collateral. They control it from it becoming a piece of bad news. If they overthrow the corrupt “accepted" civilian govt, they would need to form the new govt which no supe deem themselves to be qualified as far as I have seen, unless you turning into a dictatorial self fulfilling schmk - Homelander.
I mean this importance of narrative is being highlighted spectacularly by Todd (who wedded MM’s wife cuz he wasn't there much). He's all about believing Homelander and Vought assuring them safety, security… how it's actually them that's the heroes getting blighted (ruined) by starlight instead of other way around. It's such a twisted irony because that’s how mainstream views get swallowed up by the public regardless of the context that may exist. It's a given for kids for having the ignorance/shallow awareness to swallow up sh*t but how an adult is also doing the same without thinking about it, just cuz of the established pre existing narrative…is actually such a real real REAL concept. (>An appeal to majority in a sense just cuz it's way easier rather than bothering to research for forming an actual opinion on something<). It's truly sickening, gripping and refreshing at the same time. Refreshing cuz it's actually being brought to light.
A-train is honestly worse than everyone except Homelander cuz he just tried to cover up murder a bit too often without feeling like he did much wrong. But he does redeem himself a bit when he realises his own mistakes. He is shown to have somewhat of a moral compass but he ignores it in favor of pursuing his selfish desires. And there are times you can see his guilt or him questioning his actions, but he chooses to move past it because he is a coward or because he prefers the riches and comforts of being part of the Seven. You can actually make a case for the Deep being “relatively” more likable compared to A-train.
Continuing with Starlight, she drops the next bomb which was to expose Vought, Soldier Boy and Homelander for the sadistic money grubbing pric*ks they are. This was worse than the Naz# titling recognition (worse cuz of 🌟lights popularity) Vought got in s2, same with Homelander > for sleeping with a naz, and kept at his right hand despite being aware of it. Homelander gets these recurring harsh jolts back to reality “Wake Up to Reality” checks just to let us know it's all about the masses perception.
Despite their superior physiological stats. They still need to get accepted first as supes. Otherwise they would just be another dictatorial villain. This is the case with Homelander.
It's why he goes back to Edgar after knocking him off the top. He thinks he's finally found a way around the kingmaker only for him to tell him that he's not king and he doesn't deserve respect. He thinks he's the kingmaker now, and the kingmaker tells him that he's still not good enough and drops the mic 🧊. And now Edgar's predictions are coming to pass. He just remained in charge until he got backstabbed by his own kin Victoria “headpopper" Neuman aka Claudia Doumitt to “take over" Vought. She's basically just keen on figuring out the safe routes cuz if she had stood behind Edgar in s3, HL would've gutted her Outta nowhere. But she's pretty much the seeming big bad upcoming in s4 with that Virus Contingency. And that most powerful deranged “daughter” of hers > Cindy.
She realised her wrong so much to the extent that she chooses to take the clearly futile paths of doing something instead of doing it wrong. She and Hughie are similiar in this train of thought and it's why they supplement each other’s faults with support to be stronger and not stray from what's right to their hearts. She is willing to move on and smile around with those who wronged her bitterly to the core and that speaks volumes to her 🌟🌟🌟🌟s. This boosted her approval ratings through the roof that Vought became more dependant on her stocks to keep themselves afloat. She also got that flight video to keep Homelander in check however it was just until Homelander wised up for a 360. Sure I'll loose everything, but then I'll have nothing to loose ⚡🥶🥶. Just wow 🤯.
He would be a boring 3rd rate pansy preach like most “superheroes”.
These two are the most debated on being the morally worst character. It's so unnerving. He's the worst!!! >> Nooo He is!!! At least it gives a bit of meaning to their confrontation above.
-It is all JUST to remind him of what's superior. Which in this case is PEOPLE'S WORD. ITS THE NARRATIVE that gets formed in people's minds about him because ultimately, his dream for recognition and glory is useless without any of that. It's such a brutal stigma and truth that's pretty common to anything & everything that's got a name now irl #FAMOUS. it will all crumble without a good narrative to back you up. Vought ofc tried to dismiss Starlight’s claims as just the inane ranting from a jilted ex of Homelander, and yup it's pretty easy to sell specifically due to the hefty narrative they spend their time crafting around Homelander being good, showing up for public charity events etc etc. it's all about that narrative. Pretty ditto for irl.
I'm stronger….Better!!!!….
Why the long face…..tiger?
Season 2 ends with that son, Ryan taking Butchers side,cause he still sees himself as human.
So back to Homelander, I hope this was a good read. In all he's a despicable character done very well. The show at no point signals that you're expected to admire this guy, and while it humanizes him at a couple of points (I mean, the source of his monstrosity is his humanity), at no point are his actions made to seem excusable, which I think IT IS WHEN despicable characters can be made jarring, when you start signaling you want people to go "yeah he's a monster, but still..." The show also doesn't signal "he's a monster, but the world needs him" or "but he's the only one who can do this thing", which is another point where unlikable characters can start to annoy, when the plot is forced to need them even if you could eliminate them. He's clearly something the world needs to get rid of, and the conflict comes from that being an extremely difficult thing to do. He doesn't have plot armor, he's just a nightmarish monster.
Currently Superman is retiring (comics) and set to become world president in the coming years but that's just after retirement.
But he had the strength to move on and is something I appreciate his character a lot for. From drunken arrests, getting r*ped by a girl who molested his gills, mocked him in a group etc etc accidentally slaughtered a whole school of dolphins he was trying to save, gave up on life. It was such a dark pit he was in. He knew he wasn't much, he knew he was a mockery, he knew his place even as Lord of the Sea’s saving the aquatic life was also just another terrible failure. He also understood he has no chance to get back in Vought unless he reclaimed who he was or at least paint/build a better version of himself (true for a lotta stuff irl tbh). He found solace for a bit with Eagle eyes, a normal hero (childhood friend) and further went on for therapy to discover who he was/can be. It's such a helpless acceptance.
Eventually, probably soon, the world will recognize you for the pitiful disappointment you are. You are not worthy of my respect. You are not a god. You are simply … bad product.
Homelander wanted to be loved and be king until s2, and for his entire life, Stan Edgar was the Kingmaker. He has to grovel to the kingmaker to get what he wants. And every attempt he makes to circumvent or challenge the Kingmaker ends with him being slapped quickly back into his place. He fears Edgar because Edgar could make his dreams live or die on a whim. As long as he's on Edgar's good side, he's top of the world, but if Edgar decides he's done, then he's done. Vought is a supes factory and Edgar has made it clear he will dispose of Homelander the minute the cost benefit analysis supports it.
>Butcher goes on to beat Soldierboy for hitting Ryan on purpose. I mean Soldierboy is here being like are you fr, this guy f-ed your wife and you wanna now protect his son? It's this whole convo about inherited wills > blood relations once again. Butcher and Homelander of all people join forces against Soldierboy 🤣😭